144,000 – YET 2 Tribes are MISSING – are they?

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BELOW IS A QUOTE FROM ONE WEB SITE: *
Q: In Revelation 7, there is no mention of the tribe of Dan,
but the other tribes are listed. Why? Was the tribe of Dan cut off?

A: This is an interesting question! If my memory is correct, there is a movement that focuses on re-finding the history of that lost tribe. They trace the tribe of Dan to South America and across North America, to the East Coast, where they disappeared for many years and all that was left were some strange mounds of dirt.

The very fact that such ideas can originate warns us that it is dangerous to β€œsurmise” on what God has not revealed in His Word. So, lets begin with this truth…..

Conjecture one – Maybe the tribe of Dan is not mentioned because they became so involved in idolatry (Judges 18:30-31)… Every thing connected with idolatry was to be burned or put to death as they entered the land to possess it (Deuteronomy 7:1-6 & Joshua 6:15-21).

Conjecture two – It is highly unlikely that everyone from the tribe of Dan will be lost just because they’re not mentioned in this list… It is possible that the tribes listed in Revelation represent β€œcharacter traits” that will be found in saved people or a special group of people living right before Jesus returns. If this is true, then we are dealing with symbolism rather than a literal translation. Since the book of Revelation is full of symbolic meanings, this could definitely be the answer.
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MY COMMENTS:
A brief Bible study on the matter, may be sufficient evidence and NOT “conjecture,” with all due respect to the writer of this piece. I will leave that up to the church. There will be other quotes added from this web site, a little later.

I will unequivocally state, there will be “a Literal Translation” (contrary to the above mentioned comment) β€” there is nothing “symbolic about that!

HERE is a Condensed version of the 144,000:
β€’ they are hand-picked by Jesus, from all of God’s people living throughout the world, before Jesus 2nd Coming. Just as were the 12 apostles hand-picked at the beginning of Jesus’ 3 &1/2 year ministry at His 1st Coming
β€’ this then proves that 144,000 is a literal number of 12,000 from 12 groups of sheep scattered across our planet’s face
β€’ 144,000 are also a symbolic number, in order to represent symbolically the 120 in the upper room and/or the 500 disciples that saw Jesus leave the earth after His resurrection in Acts 1:6-26; 1 Corinthians 15:5-6.

THAT’s Right, I said this number is paradoxically both “literal” and “symbolic.” This gets easier to understand when you begin to comprehend how God works to save “to the uttermost”

HERE is a break-down of the REASON for the 144,000.
This is a special group that Vindicate God’s name and prove God is able to save any type of personality, except those who are unwilling to give up their “idols” and those who cling to their “pride” – the main sin of Lucifer that he fostered while living in the midst of the brightness of our God of glory!

I MUST also make mention of one other point:
There is another of Israel’s tribes that (symbolically) did not make the grade for the 144,000 – that one, I am especially pained at having to mention – in that it is a direct strike at our LAST DAY Church. Symbolically speaking his tribe, Ephraim, is not mentioned among the 144,000.

Literally however, there will be people from among Ephraim’s number that will be saved. God does not descriminate – so there’s no need to worry, if you can trace your heritage all the way back to “Ephraim” – God judges individuals, NOT groups.

This goes for anyone who also has bought into the lie that some humans are unsalvageable because of “demon” or “fallen angel” blood – “that’s a whole ‘nother can of worms” that I’ve addressed on this blog

ALL TRIBAL names are SYMBOLIC. Therefore, these references are not a tribute to, neither are they a slight against any particular tribe. God uses the tribe names (and their peculiar characteristics) in order to reveal that He keeps His covenant with His individual people and His Church throughout the “ages” β€” regardless, of individual character faults, or the faults of His Church family through its 6,000 year history.

The ONLY problem, is that if we cling to our “idols” then God does NOT leave us, but we will eventually leave God. AND if “pride” gets in the way, as it did for Lucifer, then we will be unable to admit to our faults, in ORDER for GOD to SAVE us!

So, the two (2) churches that clung to these types of sin are no longer listed with the 12 who overcame their sins and character flaws that they either inherited, or cultivated.
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IT MUST ALSO BE SAID, that the 12 tribes is a broad history of God’s Church. Whereas, the 7 churches, Jesus spoke of in Revelation 1-3, are a short history, encompassing the last 2,000 years of God’s Woman Church, which have in their church membership, those which will comprise some of “spiritual Israel.” These churches may/”could” run parallel to the broad history, in a real stretch of the subject matter.

If interested in receiving a brief overview, of what is stated above, then ask for the chart on “The 12 Yoke of Oxen.”

[Perhaps, I stepped a little out of bounds on this chart drawn up, by also drawing the broader parallel of 7 Christian churches mentioned, to 12 tribes linked with the 12 apostles. I fear these 7 parallels are “conjecture” in that there may not be enough scripture to back it up. In that the broad history encompasses 6,000 years. However, that can be remedied, by just ignoring the side bars (where the 7 Christian churches are listed) next to the broad view. Cross out or use Bic’s “wite-out”]

WHO IS THE 2nd TRIBE not MENTIONED?
The other tribe NOT mentioned in Revelation 7, besides Dan (that make up the 144,000) is Ephraim. He is tangled up with “idols” as well. God says in Hosea 4:17, “Ephraim is joined to idols: let him alone.”

Some might say Ephraim is not one of the original 12, so no need to mention him. There are others that will see similarities of Manasseh and Ephraim with what happened when the apostles were looking for a replacement for Judas. In Acts 1:23-26 they selected 2 men out of which the Lord was to choose casting lots.

Judas created a vacuum, and Matthias was chosen by lot to replace Judas. It then appeared that “Joseph” (other one chosen to replace Judas) was cast off. Nothing concrete was said about Joseph, so we don’t know what really happened to him, but I bet he still worked alongside the 12 chosen apostles. I’m sure they had plenty for him to do.

This was very similar as to what had happened, when God chose Ephraim to fill the gap for when Dan apostatized through idol worship. Though Ephraim was Joseph’s 2nd born son, God picked Ephraim over Manassah (1st born son) – for God saw that the 2nd born son would have more natural talent and abilities to get the job done – for we see Joseph named him “fruitful.”

Nevertheless, his spiritual pride over his talents and natural gifts, caused him to lose his way as a tribe, which was symbolic of God’s LAST DAY “fruitful” Woman church, that took the Jewish Nation’s place, described in Matthew 21:43, who became “rich, described in Revelation 3:17 and Hosea 12:8, as God’s Laodiceans church.

Israel/Jacob made BOTH of his grandsons full-fledged “sons.” This he did in Genesis 48:5-6,16,22 “And now thy two sons, Ephraim and Manasseh, which were born unto thee in the land of Egypt before I came unto thee into Egypt, are mine; as Reuben and Simeon, they shall be mine…. and let my name [‘Israel’] be named on them….”.

AND, have you noticed? – “Manasseh” IS listed among the 12 in Revelation 7. YET, EPHRAIM is NOT!

There is a deeper symbolic meaning as to why Dan and Ephraim are NOT listed in Revelation 7, as that final people… the 144,000 share character faults with the 12 tribes, EXCEPT those of DAN and EPHRAIM. That is, blatant idolatry and pride are characteristic that had caused Lucifer, the highest angel ever made, to be cast out of heaven (Rev.12).

We will not go into the meaning of the tribe names with reference to INDIVIDUALS, though these references are symbols of people who have given give their will over to God.

Our only concern today, are symbolisms that apply to the TWO lost church systems/organizations. The 12 names represent the system of churches that had existed (or still does exist) since the time of Adam to our present day. THESE are the only TYPES of CHURCHES that WILL enter through the “12 gates” of New Jerusalem in Revelation 21. BOTH of DAN and EPHRAIM are symbolic of the 2 Women Christian Churches who allowed IDOLS to be present IN the Church’s Sanctuary, up until the very END! However, this study covers ONLY from “Reuben, Simeon & Levi, Judah to DAN.” There is not enough time and space to present all 12 today. Even so, the ones we do mention is not an exhaustive study (though you may get “exhausted” reading it. I will try to be brief).

HERE ARE (additional) REASONS that DAN & EPHRAIM are NOT LISTED in REV. 7:

A: DAN – the FIRST tribe to include “idols” in their worship (it appears). This tribe is lost in antiquity – that we already know. That (as you have already read) includes individuals who cling to their idols β€” they are lost, as well! See Judges 18:30-31.

So, as we look over the churches which arose from the time of ADAM to our present day, we see that this particular church, was 5th in line from Reuben. (Reuben, Simeon and Levi, Judah, Dan)

Here are the tribes, in order of their birth:
β€’ 1) REUBEN -the firstborn, is the symbol for Adam and his family before the Great Flood. Both Reuben and Adam are symbolic of Christ, the Firstborn. Reuben is also symbolic of king Solomon. Adam, Reuben and Solomon represent God’s church as complete and whole. The “firstborn” church of Exodus 4:22, before the splits occurred. Genesis 49:3-4.

β€’2) and β€’3)Β SIMEON and LEVI –Β a. these were brothers who caused such a hatred among the nations they dwelt with, that it caused “Jacob” their father, to “stink” (Gen. 34:25-31). The trouble was so bad, that the whole family had to move away. These two brothers became as a prophecy for the division that eventually came upon Israel, after the death of king Solomon (who is a type of Christ) as predicted in Genesis 49:5-7.

b. seeing that these two brothers are a prophecy of the Northern and the Southern Kingdoms and their split, after Solomon’s death (who is a type of Christ) then they likewise are a prophecy of the split of the Jewish Nation, after Jesus’ death. In that the Simeon tribe/Northern Kingdom would also represent the Jewish Nation that left Jesus and were decimated/destroyed in 70 AD and those that were left, were scattered across the land.

c. LEVIΒ would then represent that portion of Israel that were faithful and followed Jesus. That is, Woman Church (Christians) who Jesus said would become a kingdom of “priests” in His new kingdom to come (1 Pet.2:9). This is (as well) represented by the prophecies given to Moses for each of the tribes mentioned in Deuteronomy 33.

You will especially note that “SIMEON” has been left out of Deuteronomy 33, to reveal that TIME in history that a portion of the Jewish Nation no longer followed after Jesus AND was LOST. Therefore Moses was NOT given a vision for those people symbolized in the tribe of Simeon. Nevertheless, Dan IS mentioned. That is because DAN’s symbolic prophecy was yet still to be fulfilled in the future.

β€’4) JUDAH – is all about the prophecy of Jesus (Genesis 49:8-12). Naturally, this prophecy would incorporate the Foundation Jesus laid down for Woman Church, which was perfect, without guile. We know that the “gates of hell” have never prevailed upon this Rock (Matt.16:18: 1Cor.10:4), but it’s Foundation has been obscured by rubbish – which was symbolized by “Dan,” the “whore” Church of Revelation 17. Like the apostate apostle Judas, the “Dan” Church was never approved by Jesus, because (like Judas in John 17:12) this next Church was the devil’s creation – “the son of perdition” Church described in 2 Thessalonians 2:3.

β€’5) DAN – represents the Woman Church who was the first to bring actual idols of the old Greek gods, into the Temple Sanctuary. The Greek goddess Diane was renamed Mary. Apollo was called Peter, and so on… Until the church was filled with all the old familiar faces, in order that the pagans would be drawn in to worship there. All the old pagan feasts days were instituted, such as Easter and Christmas, which attached significant Christian names and symbols to them. The rituals of priests were claimed as Christian. Even the “fish god” Dagon is shaped into a fish hat, to resemble the head of a fish, worn by the Popes. if all were totally eradicated by this Jesuit Pope (the “black” Pope) – he could never erase the dark history of this church and what it’s final END will be, as “the spirit of prophecy” declares – “the 3rd Angel’s message is infallible”! (Rev.14:8-11). “Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward” – Gen.49:17

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ONE LAST NOTE concerning SIMEON and LEVI in the prophecy that God gave Jacob for his boys. Jacob draws from his memory upon that problem they created in Genesis 34, and gives this prophecy in Genesis 49:5-7

“Simeon and Levi are brethren; instruments of cruelty are in their habitations. O my soul, come not thou into their secret; unto their assembly, mine honor, be not thou united: for in their anger they slew a man, and in their self will they digged down a wall. Cursed be their anger, for it was fierce; and their wrath, for it was cruel: I will divide them in Jacob, and scatter them in Israel.”

This is the BREAK-DOWN of Genesis 49:5-7 -the two groups who tormented Jesus:

β€’“Simeon and Levi are brethren” – and are symbolic of the Pharisees and Sadducees.
β€’“instruments of cruelty are in their habitations” – their “cruelty” upon the Son of God was unrelenting.
β€’“O My soul, come not Thou into their secret; unto their assembly, Mine honor, be not Thou united”– this part of the prophecy was a warning from the Father to His Son, when He was to arrive on Earth and begin His ministry.
β€’“for in their anger they slew a man” – this part of the prophecy was fulfilled, when they slew God’s Son. Note that “slew a man” is singular; whereas, in their literal actions, they slew a whole village of “men” (plural-see Gen.34:25) Β  Β  Β *[1]
β€’“and in their self will they digged down a wall” – “wall” means the 10 Commandments, which is to be a “wall” of protection around God’s people. When the Jewish Nation “digged down a wall,” they undermined the foundation underlying the laws that God gave them to protect them from all enemies. Their defences were completely undermined in 70 AD. It is only as God’s people come back to keeping those same laws, that this hedge of protection is built up again as described in Deuteronomy 30:1-11. Β  Β  Β *[2]
β€’“Cursed be their anger, for it was fierce; and their wrath, for it was cruel” – the degree of “anger” that took hold of the leaders of the Jews “was fierce,” which was revealed in “their wrath, for it was cruel” and unusual… even grossly abnormal β€” satanic in its character.
β€’“I will divide them in Jacob” – no other nation had been so severely and signally divided, as that of the Jewish Nation. There had never been a national religion or church as radically DIVIDED, as that of Israel. Even to the point that today we say, the Jewish people are literal Israel and the Woman Church or Christians are Spiritual Israel. Yet even that is not quite correct, because WITHIN the Christian Church are those who are NOT “spiritual,” because we are the church militant; whereas, the church “spiritual” is registered in the heavenly membership (which includes all godly people that ever lived), and the church triumphant is still to come!
β€’“and scatter them in Israel” – the Jewish Nation was nearly destroyed; and God did “scatter” the decimated remnant in 70 AD, after the siege.
β€”a) NEVERTHELESS, the first fulfillment of this part of the prophecy took part immediately after Solomon’s demise in 1 Kings 11:43. It was during his son’s reign that the split took place in 1 Kings 12:1-24…
β€”b) which then became a PARENTHETICAL PROPHECY that was fulfilled after the DEATH of God’s SON – “the third day” after His crucifixion (Re: 1 Kings 12:12). This “split” in other words, was prophesied, as one fulfillment on top of another (or within another) fulfillment. That is, a PROPHECY that is PARENTHETICAL, or within the original prophecy predicted.

LET US SEE WHY THIS TYPE OF PROPHECY IS UNIQUE:

This prophecy really distressed our Heavenly Father. WHY? because:
A) it involved 2 great splits/rifts in God’s Holy Firstborn Church – which caused The Father to “stink” among the Nations (please harken back to Gen.34:30 “…Ye have troubled me to make me to stink among the inhabitants of the land…”).
– the 1st split caused the Northern Kingdom to be conquered, scattered and melt away into the surrounding nations.
– the 2nd split caused the cruel death of God’s Son to take place on a Roman cross of torture, instead of on the Temple Altar, where the sacrificial lambs were slain, by the high priest. According to Josephus, there were 1,100,000 Jews in 70 AD, that were slaughtered. This was a big loss for God, which also caused Him “to stink” among the Nations.

The Father’s anger was great in anticipation of what HE KNEW WOULD ONE DAY TAKE PLACE when His people would CRUCIFY His Son; and when great numbers of His people would completely reject His Son and be lost.

The Father was so angry, that the pre-incarnate Jesus, speaking through the prophets foretold the Jewish people that “My Father [will make] your yoke heavy, and I [Jesus Christ] will add to your yoke: my Father also [will] chastise… you with whips, but I will chastise you with scorpions… for the cause was from the LORD, that he might perform his saying, which the LORD spake by Ahijah the Shilonite unto Jeroboam the son of Nebat” (these are Old Testament prophets foreseeing clear to the time of Christ! – 1 Kings 12:14-15). Β  Β  Β *[3]
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WHAT IS MOST ASTONISHING THOUGH, IS THAT, it is not so much that DAN and EPHRAIM are scratched off the list, but that THE TRIBAL NAME OF SIMEON, MADE IT ON THE BOOKS, AS ONE OF THE 144,000!

WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU?!
That says, if you cling to your “idols” as did Dan, and you cling to your “pride” (& idols) as did Ephraim, you are choosing to remain lost. Just as the tribes of Dan and Ephraim are symbolically lost AND STRUCK OFF THE ROLL CALL, to represent all those types who follow in their footsteps. Β  Β  Β *[4]

HOWEVER, you can spit at, curse God and even crucify His Son and STILL MAKE IT TO HEAVEN, as long as you repent! And this will be just as SIMEON, who Moses did not even acknowledge in Deuteronomy 33, as a “silent” prophecy of that Jewish Nation, that rejected God’s Son, but that we know – God has given Simeon a place in among (and with) the 144,000.
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B: EPHRAIM – if there is EVEN just ONE (1) PERSON INTERESTED, I will be glad to “post” the evidence for EPHRAIM as to his lost condition, & who he represents. As well as information on all the other TRIBES included in the 12. If successfully viewed, I will also explain how the 12 apostles are “yoked” to the 12 tribes. The Bible reference for same is in 1 Kings 19:19. I hope y’all give me encouragement, as this is a significant portion of prophecy. God bless!

I LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR “like” OR “comment”please feel free to speak your mind or choose your “like.” I PRAY FOR ALL THOSE WHO “follow” OR “like” OR “comment” – even if I don’t agree with you. I’m never offended. I ❀ you guys, AND appreciate ALL those who “follow” (and actually read my posts, too!)Β see me also at: http://godinterest.com/RawWholesomeWord Β  πŸ˜€
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FOOTNOTES
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* web site for statement quoted at top of this “post” http://www.wordoftruthradio.com/questions/48.html

*[1] Genesis 34:25 “And it came to pass on THE THIRD DAY, when they were sore, that two of the sons of Jacob, Simeon and Levi, Dinah’s brethren, took each man his sword, and came upon the city boldly, and slew all the males.”

*[2] Deuteronomy 30:1-8 “And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath driven thee. 2 And shalt return unto the LORD thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul; 3 That then the LORD thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath scattered thee. 4 If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the LORD thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee: 5 And the LORD thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers. 6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live. 7 And the LORD thy God will put all these curses upon thine enemies, and on them that hate thee, which persecuted thee. 8 And thou shalt return and obey the voice of the LORD, and do all his commandments which I command thee this day.”

*[3] “PARENTHETICAL PROPHECY” – THERE CAN BE NO WORDS TO EXPRESS THIS TYPE OF PROPHECY. There must be very few of these types around β€” if any! If there are others like this, it is not presently known by this writer. Research in this area needs to be done, in order that these types of prophecies may be expressed properly (if that is even possible). Perhaps there is another term, even more forceful, than what has been placed before you – if anyone out there knows, please reveal it.

*[4] NOW, we do not know as a FACT, whether these 2 tribes are in actuality truly LOST – it could be that their lineage may be traced to present day times. Yet GOD is SIGNALING to us a WARNING of impending danger soon to come crushing down upon us and grind us as powder (Daniel 2:44-45; Matt.21:43-44).
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3 thoughts on “144,000 – YET 2 Tribes are MISSING – are they?

  1. A Friend Asks,

    Q: 1 β€’ “What of Manasseh?
    2 β€’And above all, what is the purpose of the 144,000?”

    I’ll answer your 2nd question 1st:

    1] β€’ “…what is the purpose of the 144,000?”
    The purpose of the 144,000 is to vindicate that God was right all along. What is God right about? God is right about the fact He says sinners can repent (turn from sin) and live in obedience to His laws. They can keep His commandment, for God’s “commandments are NOT grievous” (severe, bad or impossible-to-keep). See 1 John 5:2-4

    A) the 144,000 are “…they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.” Rev.14:12. They, like Enoch of old “walked with God…and he was not; for God took him” to heaven and he was no more on earth, because he was translated (Genesis 5:24)

    B) the purpose of the 144,000 (plus) is to also replace Lucifer, who was a “covering cherub” in Gods throne room (Ezekiel 28:13-19) and to replace the millions of fallen angels (1/3 of heaven’s host- Revelation 12:3-4,7-9), which the “great multitude” will do, as well, as seen in Revelation 7:9

    2] β€’ “What of Manasseh?
    “Manasseh” is one of the tribes that is mentioned among the 144,000 in Rev.7:6
    β€” this means that those who have the characteristics of this fine tribe — that is, have the same failings as he did, but overcome these failings, through full obedience in the commandments of God “by the blood of the Lamb” and through the grace of God bestowed upon them, then they will be in that number of 12,000 – the literal number of those chosen by Jesus β€” unless they are among the symbolic number of 144,000.

    There is much, much more to know about Manasseh & the 144,000 – but I cannot put it all here:

    The important thing to know is that obedience is not only possible, but a complete surrender to Christ can be had.

    As soon as you ask for it and believe it, and follow in Christ’s footsteps, but also this obedience is necessary in order to be translated alive, as pointed out in Revelation 14:12 (read also vs.1-5)

    I will write more on how Jesus will cleanse you completely of sin. It is NOT in your ability to stop sinning. BUT it is Jesus Who removes the sin. Complete assurance can be accomplished within minutes.

    Please hang in there while I write out what MUST be done for your SALVATION – remember this work can begin at once & you can have complete assurance immediately, so that if you were to die tonight, you would be secure in Jesus’ arms!

    Leave a “comment” – if you would like. You are in my prayers, even now as we speak & all the rest of this week! πŸ™‹πŸΌ

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  2. Thank you, I would love to dive very deep into this topic of the 144,000 and Manasseh and of the ceasing of sin in my life if you are willing to take the time. I am more motivated then ever before and I will do what ever it takes under the will of God to accomplish this.

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    1. I’ll also be posting some tips on overcoming sin.
      But just that. I will have to do in-depth on the “sin problem” with lots of scripture to look up & claim (at a later date, sometime at the end of this week – hopefully sooner)

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