This is my “Comment” on HELL FIRE to a man who has Rational Fear + Hatred of a god —
A God, Whom some say is capable of ceaseless torment,
Though they may claim, “God IS Love”
• not, “God Has Love”
• nor that “God gives love”
• nor that “God feels love,”
BUT that, “God IS Love” – as the very core of His Being, as Who He “IS“!
We put men on trial,
Such as Hitler’s henchmen,
For such actions readily attributed to our Christian God.
The fruits of the “Hell” doctrine, if wrongly understood, are these 3 :
• either people serve God out of abject fear, or
• people choose to become Atheist, rather than believe a God of such evil dimensions, or
• people lightly esteem the requirements of God, thinking that only the VERY vile, or the very wicked will burn forever. That God would never place a “good” person in a continually burning fiery furnace.
Either way the Devil wins, and all 3 are cast in the “lake of fire“
Better read on, if you wish to know which God you serve, and how you would best please Him.
This is the outcome God says will happen:
— “the fearful” or those who serve God out of fear, will be cast in “the lake of fire”
— “the unbelieving” or doubters or Atheist who deny God’s existence, will be cast in “the lake of fire” Rev.21:8
— those who lightly esteem the requirements or laws of God, and believe they are “good” enough to enter into the “Pearly Gates” will be cast out into outer darkness, and Personally told by Jesus, “I never knew you”! Matthew 7:21-23
I explain in the 2nd part of this Post, why God has allowed “evil” to exist in this world, unchecked. You will find this below the “Hell Truth” button (& at bottom of animated fiery Hell image, with Jesus walking among the flames)
This is a partial RESPONSE
SO, We will interrupt this “Comment” partway through the many discussions I had with my Atheist friend on “Google” (some modifications made):
I understand your frustration over what appears to be the depictions of a Christian God.
Though I have studied these issues many times on my own, yet I am by no means alone in my conclusions. Those who have studied for many long hours daily for years (as I have)
came to these same conclusions.
That is, there is NO place of continual torment.
I used to be Roman Catholic and would burst out in anger at my God for His “torture” of beings for eternal ages!
With this type of God, we would be better off with Adolph Hitler, Mussolini and all the wicked popes of the Dark Ages — for none had the ability to ceaselessly torture anyone —
Oh death, “a sweet release!”
But where is the “sweet release,” if we simply trade Earth’s place of torture, for Hell’s Eternally burning “fire & brimstone”?! (as crudely understood in Revelation 14:9-11)
Non-existence would be an even sweeter reality, and certainly fading off into oblivion is preferable to a god of this nature. I would characterize that god, as a “god of hate” not one called, “God is Love” as 1 John 4:8 states.
So… A QUESTION for you,
• Do you think God’s adversary, or wicked men, might want others to believe that God delights in torturing people for an eternity?
• You yourself have decided you want nothing to do with this God.
Weak men have twisted words to suit their designs.
I’ve already mentioned that in my last dissertation. Yet the brain-washing has been so thorough that ALL we can see are the words that were substituted for the real meanings behind the scripture.
I see that you have the heart of one who diligently seeks for truth.
I am answering your questions directly from the Bible, as I go along.
However, I realize you may not wish to slog through everything I post.
It is after writing down those thoughts to you, that at the very last,
I would search the web with regard to an answer that is better stated
Than my long dissertations.
These are studies I have done on my own, and by which scripture jumps out at me as I effortlessly put down pen to paper. I cannot write fast enough, nor is there space enough to tell every minute detail in this puny forum.
And I do not wish to weary you, in my tendency for thorough explanations.
Believe it or not, I have cut back drastically in all I have written.
Though I have answered on these verses mentioned.
Nonetheless, I will address specifically YOUR question [+Edmund ——–] my dear friend:
“+Marion Cheek, You should read more of your bible for it clearly describes the Christian Hell as a place of torture. For example, have a look at; Revelations 14:10-11, Luke 16:23-24, Revelation 9:2, and so on.”
“The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be TORMENTED with FIRE and BRIMSTONE in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
“And the SMOKE of their torment ascends up FOR EVER and EVER: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.”
Rightful Explanation of Rev.14:10:
If you look at my previous post, I mentioned that JUDGMENT of FIRE and BRIMSTONE is poured out by God on that wicked city of SODOM and GOMORRAH and it is mentioned in Jude 1:7.
YES, there is Judgment for HORRENDOUS crimes that evil people have committed on the human race, and especially EVIL fallen angels will pay for ALL the TORTURE they committed on children, adults and innocent creatures who were sodomized, beaten, enslaved, raped, tortured, left for dead or to die long and LINGERING deaths.
However, this TORMENT does not last. At some point, it has an END.
“For the wages of sin is DEATH; but the gift of God is eternal LIFE through Jesus Christ our Lord” – that’s DEATH, in the meaning of DEAD – Double “D” “E” “A” DEAD, as in the common vernacular (Romans 6:23)
SODOM is NOT still burning today, but the evidence of it reveals a PERMANENT destruction with us today. It is an amazing city of ash, with the forms of buildings, and streets (location documented) that can be visited and seen in our modern day, situated by the Red Sea.
YOU can pull out the round balls of BRIMSTONE/pure sulfur from their enclosed pockets and have them tested yourself. They have been proven to be white sulfur, the purest sulfur on the planet, existing no where else but there (see link below)🅰
I have also given video & web sites of same, that are VERY informative, interesting, and backed with Archeological, Geological and Astronomical FACTS that you will find to be fascinating, fair and balanced – so that the individual can make that decision. One of the videos is an History Channel Documentary (link below)🅱
So, there is a JUDGMENT of wicked, just NOT one that will last very long, for Jesus said in Luke 17:29-30
“But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and DESTROYED them ALL [as in DEAD]. Even thus SHALL IT BE in THE DAY when the SON of man is REVEALED.
NOW on Verse 11 of Revelation 14:
“FOR EVER” is subjective, and ALWAYS has been and indeterminate, as well.
But have you not at some time said:
• “That meeting lasted ‘FOR EVER’!”? Or,
• “It SEEMED like it was ‘FOR EVER’ before I was done with that test!” Or,
• “It took ‘FOR EVER’ for them to get back with me on that matter!”
Jonah, swallowed by the great fish (whether you believe it or not) is quoted as saying:
“I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me FOR EVER: YET hast thou brought UP my LIFE from corruption, O LORD my God….And the LORD spake unto the fish, and it vomited OUT Jonah UPON the dry LAND.”
So, the narrative relates that “Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights,” Yet Jonah said he was there “FOR EVER.”
See Jonah 1:17 and compare with Genesis 43:9
“I will be surety for him; of my hand shalt thou require him: if I bring him not unto thee, and set him before thee, then let me bear the blame for ever”
As well as,
“For Ever” does not mean JUST a 3 day period.
It can be any amount of indeterminate time:
— it can mean 3 days
— it can mean 3 minutes
• if you are drowning 3 minutes can seem “FOR EVER”
— it can mean 3 months
— it can mean 3 years
— it can mean NEVER ending,
• such as “living” with God “for ever” *
• “for the Egyptians… ye shall see them again no more for ever” (Exodus 14:13)
• “The LORD shall reign for ever and ever” (Ex.15:18)
HOWEVER, “LIVING” is a qualifying statement, meaning to describe the eternal (permanent) rewards of those who chose to live according to rules God as described in a FAIR world, without harm to you or your neighbor, and respectful of the God Who made us.
We are free to choose “death” (an eternal sleep) – if we wish. No one asked to be born, so no one is going to be forced to live with God and their loved ones in a peaceful society.
But God will be very sad, if we choose “death” – for He has said,
“I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live” Deut.30:19
[Dear reader: my friend, “Edmond —” refused to entertain any text from The Old Testament, because he said Jesus’ followers (modern day Christians) say that Jesus did away with the laws of the O.T. — so I qualified my statement to him when quoting from O.T. Written below] ⤵️
The followers of Christ are free to quote Jonah (or any part) in the Old Testament, because Jesus referred constantly to the Old Testament, and specifically quotes Jonah and the events at Sodom.
Not only did Jesus quote the Old Testament scriptures, but even a young Christian knows that Jesus fulfilled all the prophesies regarding the circumstances of His birth, life and death (about 333/or 332), as it directly relates to the Sanctuary services, even as He proclaimed in Luke 22: to those 2 men on “the road to Emmaus”
Contemporary Historians of Jesus’ day, regard Jesus as a real Person and proven to have lived up to all that was prophesied of Him.
Modern day Historians regard Him as a real Person. And some, who are serious enough to investigate His life, have been profoundly affected.
Whatever the punishment of the wicked, no matter how short the duration, it will seem like a long time for God, the good angels, and saved humans – because we will be crying and screaming and distressed to see anyone burning up at all.
God calls it His “strange act” in Isaiah 28:21 – in that this is the only time He has had to pour out His Wrath, unmixed with mercy as you already know in Revelation 14:10, but it does END, contrary to what the Adversary says.
Unfortunately, it is the choice of all those burning to decide they weren’t willing to live by any rules, but their own, which is very dangerous in that this harms everyone else.
in the house of PARENTS,
Little children come to realize this. They had better live under rules, or they will suffer the consequence. Unfortunately, they don’t understand why, until they are grown.
I have answered you right well on the notion of an on-going fiery conflagration whereby wicked are never released (according to warped thinking).
So, I feel you would be better served if you were to visit, & click on “Hell Truth” below:
2nd Part of Post
To briefly answer your question on why God allows for EVIL and SIN to continue on our planet, without putting a stop to it – I had previously addressed this in a former post.
Perhaps I didn’t make myself clear:
1) Lucifer, angel of light, highest being ever created, REBELLED (Isaiah 14:11-15)
2) he claimed that beings should be free to govern themselves WITHOUT “laws”
3) if God had zapped him then, then ALL the beings would have served God out of fear
4) God allowed Lucifer a chance to prove his government of “lawlessness”
5) to test all created beings, He placed one forbidden TREE in the midst of all the LUSH gardens on ALL the Planets.
This was a TEST – not a temptation.
Because everyone had access to all the fruit they could possibly desire,
Or even want, in a variety of abundance.
The gardens were vast.
They were wide and long and packed with everything anyone could desire.
All gardens were the property of the inhabited beings upon and in it.
All vegetation, rocks, animals, streams, seas and land belonged to them,
Except for one FORBIDDEN tree – God claimed it for Himself,
As a test of loyalty.
All beings were created perfect,
Without the least drawing of the flesh.
They wanted for nothing.
All the beings on all the worlds were told about Lucifer and all the other angel’s who followed their leader. They were warned that he would try to get them to eat of this forbidden tree and join in his rebellion.
Lucifer was only successful on one Planet – that was Planet Earth.
The King & Queen (Adam & Eve) gave this planet over to our adversary, Lucifer.
Eve doubted God. She had never talked with God face to face, but Adam had in Genesis 2:7-18. So it appears that she had doubted what Adam had told her about God.
Nevertheless, Eve believed Lucifer’s lies.
Adam thought he would rather share in Eve’s fate,
Then live without her, so he took also of the fruit.
EVEN as Paul described in 1 Timothy 2:13-15
This is now more or less, Lucifer’s Planet.
He has certain rights on it, but God has limited him –
We see a microcosm of this played out in the story of Job
(explained in Job 1 & 2)
God intervenes when Those who keep just laws (His laws) are about to be wiped out.
Jesus “The Lamb” and “The Lion of The Tribe of Judah” (Christians the world over), “KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.” will come riding in as a “Victorious” and “Conquering” KING, to gather up the spoils of war – His people. His loyal foot soldiers. His “firstfruits” and “a great multitude no man could number” to bring back to His Father and to the “Mansions” He told us He had gone to “prepare” for those who love Him (Rev.5:5; 19:16; 7:1-14; John 14:1-12)
Yet, God’s Judgment is not complete, until the saved are allowed to view the records in heaven, if they should happen to see anyone they may have known, not among the redeemed in Heaven.
These records viewed will reveal the reason for those unsaved.
Our angels record “every idle word spoken” and sin willfully committed.
It is only by God’s grace that the saved are there in heaven, and the lost are not –
“But for the grace of God, go I” and for the fact that the unsaved preferred to cling to sins, yet the sins of the saved were confessed, repented of and never again embraced.
However, this process of judgment and rest must take 1,000 years before justice is executed upon the guilty, sin and sinners eradicated, the Earth cleansed and purified by a “lake of fire,” that we then are free to live in safety on Earth amongst our friends, family, other beings from other Worlds far out flung, and in the presence of God forever.
At this time, God will “wipe away every tear” removing the horror of that scene from our minds eye, that we may live in peace.
At some point, we can take part in the resurrection of our most cherished pets, as God begins to restore and replenish the beauty of the Earth, as it was in “the beginning” – we will witness “the Garden of Eden” brought back to us, as Adam and Eve’s beloved first home and time of innocence (Isaiah 65:17-25; Rev.21-22)
🅰 link to Documentary on Sodom & Gomorrah City found:
🅱 link to History Channel Docu-Drama:
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